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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:04 pm  Reply with quoteBack to top

Yeah it is, I'm having a great time. You just don't like it because I'm proving one of your friends wrong. I never mind when people prove me wrong because then I don't spread false information around.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:15 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

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No-one can “make us feel”
anything that isn’t already present within us.


That's a GREAT article, Drac!  I've learned so much and become so much happier just from realizing that how I feel is entirely my responsibility!  Looking outside ourselves for validation and approval will almost always end up in disappointment and more blame and frustration because the other person "didn't say/do the right thing."  Once we get rid of our "hooks," it's true that we may not even notice negativity being directed toward us.

I wish SO much that'd I'd learned that when I was younger; it would've made my life SOOOO much easier and happier!

In the last few years (after finally "getting" it) people at work would sometimes ask me "have you noticed so-and-so acting this way and it's really bugging me" and I'd have to honestly say "no."  For a while, I thought it was just because I wasn't paying attention but now I think it's because that "hook" wasn't in me, so the bad stuff just flew right past.

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Humans don't have energy fields.

Shocked

Have you never seen a tree's aura, the "glow" outlining it? Sad (It's easiest to see at dawn and dusk.)  Everything has an aura (energy field) and it's easiest to start with trees.

I could see them when I was a little kid, then one day I made the mistake of asking my mom what the glow around the trees was.  Of course, she said "there's no glow around trees," and I figured that clearly, I was just seeing things and never saw one again, until a few years ago, when I began "waking up."

Trees have them, animals have them, even rocks have them and humans most definitely have them.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:06 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

No, Satire. It's not about proving people wrong. I said you're free to argue. What you're doing is vomiting your toxic shit all over my board and ruining the vibe I have going. Yourr arrogant, small-minded, self-aggrandizing, belittling behavior is acceptable on /b/, but not here.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:48 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Okay, I have to ask......what's /b/?


Or do I not want to know about that, either?


And where's the cheese?  Confused


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:52 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html.gz

The home of anonymous. Alot of bad stuff is there, but it has birthed alot of internet memes.

I go there to keep tabs on what's "hot" on the net.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Shocked

After I'm done making my usual rounds, maybe I'll put on my waders and peek in.  It'll raise my "hip" quotient.

Thanks. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Draconis wrote:
http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html.gz

The home of anonymous. Alot of bad stuff is there, but it has birthed alot of internet memes.

I go there to keep tabs on what's "hot" on the net.


The "anonymous" that's behind this? Shocked

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Anonymous Hackers Track Saboteur, Find and Punish the Wrong Guy - UPDATED
By Ryan Singel EmailJanuary 29, 2008 | 7:59:26 PMCategories: Hacks and Cracks  

Lawson3 Anti-Scientology agitators have repeatedly harassed and threatened violence against a 59-year-old PG&E worker and his wife, who were mistakenly flagged as pro-Scientology hackers.

John Lawson, who lives in Stockton, California with his wife Julia, began receiving threatening phone calls around 2 a.m. Saturday morning. He didn't know why until THREAT LEVEL explained that a hacking group calling itself the g00ns (goons spelled with zeros, not goons with the letter o) posted his home address, phone number and cell numbers, as well as Julia's Social Security number, online. The obscene and threatening calls have continued through Tuesday, according to Lawson.

SEE UPDATE AT BOTTOM FOR G00N's RESPONSE

The calls are just one small offshoot of an ongoing, larger attack on the Church of Scientology by a ragtag group of internet troublemakers who call themselves Anonymous. The group says it is targeting Scientology in part for its use of litigation to suppress unflattering documents on the internet.

Over the weekend, the g00ns thought they had caught a hacker who had busted into a server being used to help coordinate the online attacks and real world protests against Scientology.  But Lawson says the callers have the wrong guy.

"I don't even really know how to use a computer," Lawson said.

His phone just keeps ringing, Lawson said, and when he answers, callers spout vulgarities and threats and then hang up. On Monday, he got a call that seemed to originate from the Virgin Islands. The caller  threatened to kill him.

"They have got the wife really scared because they have my address," Lawson said. "I think I am going to buy me a gun today just in case."

The Stockton police came out on Sunday to take a report, and Lawson has put fraud protection alerts on his and his wife's credit reports.

Lawson wants his personal information off the internet but doesn't know who to talk to to get it down.

The address of the site with their personal information was shared in online chat rooms where members of a group called Anonymous congregate to plan attacks on the Church of Scientology. The site's URL was also submitted to Digg, where it made it to the front page.

Planning for those attacks was disrupted in the last four days by a counter-hack group calling itself the Regime. That group hacked and severely disrupted 711chan.org, one of the central planning facilities for the Anonymous attack.

According to an e-mail from the hacker to THREAT LEVEL, the Regime's "main objective was to obtain logs and various data including user names and passwords" and "to take down our targets in the best way possible to bring as much embarrassment/shame as we could to the offending organization."

The hacker said his group turned over the purloined data to the Church of Scientology.

Soon after, the g00ns claimed to have found out where the Regime was hacking from, and managed to obtain personal information about the Lawsons. John Lawson believes that information came from Comcast, his ISP.

A Digg commenter suggested that the g00ns tracked down an IP address used in the attack on 711chan and traced it to Lawson. If that's the case, the group overlooked the possibility that Lawson's computer or router had been compromised and was used by the real attacker as a proxy that would hide the attacker's real location.

For his part, Lawson doesn't care about the how or why, he just wants the calls to stop.

"I called three news places in Stockton just to get something out there to let them know they have the wrong guy," Lawson said.

This isn't the first time that the anti-Scientologists have hit the wrong target.

Last week, participants downloaded hacking software that accidentally targeted a school in the Netherlands, rather than a Scientology site. That misfire lasted only a few minutes, but its lesson seems not to have been learned by online vigilantes who think their righteous ends justify illegal means.

UPDATE:  10:50 PST Members of g00n tell THREAT LEVEL that they immediately took down the Lawsons' contact info after seeing this story, but emphasize that they had nothing to do with the harassing phone calls and that they have not been involved at all in the Anonymous attacks on Scientology.

They say their motivation for posting the info was to send a warning to the Regime hacker in order to help their friend at 711chan.org, whose website was repeatedly hacked by the Regime.

They also said that the IP address associated with the Lawsons' had been used in attacks on 711chan for four days, and then later was used to access and probe the site where the Lawsons' info was posted. They say they called the Lawsons before posting the info to verify it, and swear that the person they spoke with sounded much younger than a 59 year-old man.

They further contend that 711chan's server logs showed that the IP address was associated with a computer running the Debian flavor of Linux, which casts doubt on the theory that the attacker remotely taken over the Lawson's computer. If that were the case the OS would have been a flavor of Windows. Another possibility is that the Lawsons have a compromised wireless router.

The g00ns say its clear something isn't right in Stockton and vow to figure out who the Regime is, but blame him for leaving a trail that led to the Lawsons, rather than using some sort of proxy or anonymizing tool such as TOR.

They forwarded THREAT LEVEL a transcript of a chat between 711chan's operator and the Regime hacker, which showed the Regime hacker trying to blackmail the 711chan operator into turning over information about the g00ns, by implying that not doing so would make him turn over more information to the Church of Scientology. THREAT LEVEL has no way of verifying that transcript.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/anonymous-hac-1.html


BTW, is thread drift allowed here?  Question  Embarassed

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:05 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Yep. Same anonymous. the war on scientology is continuing. I am seeing alot of scientology dox on ThePirateBay.com.

sure! thread drift is fine. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Pamelot, before you start making assumptions know that Anonymous does not function as a group. Small sects of it have been known to do things like that, but as a whole anon is harmless. Just like extremists of any religion, you can't let the group speak for the whole about something that big.

edit: WHOOPS FORGOT THE REST

Draconis wrote:
ruining the vibe I have going.

You mean the vibe of almost total inactivity that was here until I started arguing?

Pamelot wrote:

SATIRE-CHAN wrote:
Humans don't have energy fields.

:shock:

Have you never seen a tree's aura, the "glow" outlining it? :( (It's easiest to see at dawn and dusk.)  Everything has an aura (energy field) and it's easiest to start with trees.


I view that as light hitting the tree at the right angle so that you see some of it reflecting off of the tree. Looks cool, but doesn't really mean much. Sure it's great for symbolism, but I personally think knowing how these illusions we see are created is much more magical than just seeing them, because you know that someone designed them to work that way. It's like getting a toy train as a kid, you have fun pretending as a child, but when you get older it's fun to know how it works.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Draconis wrote:
Yep. Same anonymous. the war on scientology is continuing. I am seeing alot of scientology dox on ThePirateBay.com.


Wow!  While I'm no fan of Scientology, this group's tactics are reprehensible! Especially considering that in this case, they got the wrong guy! They sure don't believe in karma! Shocked

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sure! thread drift is fine. Smile


Okay, whew!  I lurk around some forums that are militant about thread drift!  I like things organized, but that really takes a lot of fun out of the whole forum experience, so I rarely bother posting on those.  (And they post occasional threads wondering why their stats are down. Rolling Eyes)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Never mind the hundreds of posts before you started, "arguing" satire-chan?

I wouldn't call your posts "contributing", just unpleasant.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hundreds, big deal. The forum I usually visit has over 16000 posts, with 7139 of them coming from me. I've only been there about a year, and it's a relatively small but active online community. Whereas this place has a few hundred posts spread out with large gaps in between. Face it, you have a slow forum. And I have in fact spiced things up.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:48 am Reply with quoteBack to top

the only way you spiced things up is to bring a whole lot of your teenage angst which is unwelcome.

please don't do me any favors and go away.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:49 am Reply with quoteBack to top

SATIRE-CHAN wrote:
Pamelot, before you start making assumptions know that Anonymous does not function as a group. Small sects of it have been known to do things like that, but as a whole anon is harmless. Just like extremists of any religion, you can't let the group speak for the whole about something that big.


Ah, the extremists bring on the negative attention while the rest of the group is, like Shocked.  Every group seems to have their share.

SATIRE-CHAN wrote:
Pamelot wrote:
SATIRE-CHAN wrote:
Humans don't have energy fields.

Shocked

Have you never seen a tree's aura, the "glow" outlining it? Sad (It's easiest to see at dawn and dusk.)  Everything has an aura (energy field) and it's easiest to start with trees.


I view that as light hitting the tree at the right angle so that you see some of it reflecting off of the tree.

Cool!  That IS the aura.  It's easier to see at dawn, dusk and on rainy days when there's just not that much light to be strong enough to reflect off of anything.  If it was reflected light, it should be easier to see on a sunny day, but it's not.

As an experiment, give this a try: look at yourself in a mirror in dim light with a light background.  Let your eyes go "fuzzy" and look "past" your reflection and you'll be able to see your own aura.  The light should be too dim for it to be any sort of reflection off of you - that really is your own aura! Smile  If you have any pets, try it with them, too.

So far, all I've been able to see is a greyish outline but some people can see auras in full color.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:56 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I have heard about that, where people see color auroras. Sounds very interesting, definitely worth researching as well. But while I believe people have an aurora of reflected light, I don't personally believe in a spiritual aurora. No need for one when you look at all the ways the body can communicate mood or feelings. Tiny facial movements, pheromones, seeing which way people look when they speak, it all tells us more than an aurora could.

And concerning 4chan: There are few innocent people on the board. They are there, but yo have to look for them. However, they are not all extremists. I personally view 4chan as a place where the weaker/more downtrodden kind of people can go to feel superior to someone else for some reason. It doesn't sound very good, but think of it like this. If you've studied Freudian psychology, 4chan is like a vent that leads directly from the Id to the keyboard. It's a place where the less sociable aspects of a person can come out, thanks to the concept on Anonymous. No identity = no reputation, meaning no need to uphold a reputation. It's a way to vent stress and 'bad thoughts' safely where the only ones they (usually) harm are other anonymous, or the occasional newbie in the wrong place at the right time. It is not a friendly place, but it is not evil.

edit: OHOHO TEENAGE ANGST, YOU WITTY THING YOU

stop relying so heavily on stereotypes. Another group of people I commonly ridicule ARE the angsty teens. They think they have problems? Pah. It's just hormones and rebellion. Bunch of whiners. Besides, it's not my fault that you wouldn't recognize a REAL argument if it came up behind you and did something explicit. No, no, teenage angsts is the only way to explain this.



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