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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:29 am  Reply with quoteBack to top

SPLENDA GOES TO COURT

A federal court has rejected a request for summary judgment in a lawsuit launched by the Sugar Association against Splenda. The plaintiff alleges Splenda, a Johnson & Johnson company, is falsely advertising to consumers with its marketing slogan "Made from sugar so it tastes like sugar". Splenda is the synthetic compound sucralose, discovered in 1976 by scientists in Britain seeking a new pesticide formulation.

The artificial sweetener is made by replacing hydroxyl groups in the sugar molecule with chlorine. There are no long-term studies of the side effects of Splenda in humans. The manufacturer' s own short-term studies showed that sucralose caused shrunken thymus glands and enlarged livers and kidneys in rodents. But in this case, the FDA decided that because these studies weren't based on human test animals, they were not conclusive. As a result, Splenda is now one of the most ubiquitous ingredients in low calorie processed foods.

Learn more: http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_9306.cfm
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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The manufacturer' s own short-term studies showed that sucralose caused shrunken thymus glands and enlarged livers and kidneys in rodents. But in this case, the FDA decided that because these studies weren't based on human test animals, they were not conclusive.


Soooo, they test it on animals why?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Because various animals have various organ systems that function similar enough to that of humans to give (mostly) accurate test results. Like rat neurons and human neurons are very similar.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:56 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Similar but not similar enough to prevent the results from being dismissed.

They should take human volunteers in place of using innocent animals in these studies.  Even pay them for their time.  If researchers want some real results, that would do it.  WAY to often, results are dismissed or overlooked because of lack of human trials, after all of the needless animal suffering that happened in the name of testing.

I doubt that there would be any shortage of eager human test subjects.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:33 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Pamelot wrote:

They should take human volunteers in place of using innocent animals in these studies.  Even pay them for their time.  If researchers want some real results, that would do it.  WAY to often, results are dismissed or overlooked because of lack of human trials, after all of the needless animal suffering that happened in the name of testing.



So instead of needless animal suffering we'll just deal with needless human suffering.

We use animals that are similar because they are close enough to humans to be accurate without needing to put humans in danger until a safer product is made. There is no shortage of rats, and while the condition of many test animals really sucks, it's alot better than using humans for those same tests (who will also probably be total idiots and do things that will make test results invalid, like eat foods they shouldn't).

Pretty much: better them than you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:51 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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So instead of needless animal suffering we'll just deal with needless human suffering.

Sure, 'cause they'd be volunteers. At least they'd have the option, unlike the animals.

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...better them than you.


Yes, but I don't take their medicines and wouldn't volunteer to test their poisons.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:35 am Reply with quoteBack to top

It'd still be illegal though, and there would be no end to the activists who felt that the humans shouldn't have the right to choose.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:36 am Reply with quoteBack to top

In terms of testing how something would affect an organism, I thought that's why God invented cloning and petri dishes. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

That stuff is only just recent and the technique for cloning things is still not entirely perfected. Plus it's more accurate to test on an entire organism instead of just part of it, like a clump of cloned skin cells.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:13 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Last session in psychology class, they were talking about animal testing and how  it's akin to trying a new fuel in a lawnmower before trying it on an automobile. You're still dealing with an engine that you can proximate how it would affect a larger one.

The ethics of doing it of course is way out of my current spectrum of interest as i've got more immediate things to deal with right now. I am opposed to it in terms of cruel and unusual treatment of living organisms.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I'm just saying that a lawnmower is alot easier to replace than a car, and they run pretty similar anyways. Better to go with smaller risks than big ones, and the suffering of a few animals often saves alot of humans.

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